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Torben-
Okay, I see what you're referring to. This is a bug in the tutorial. It
looks to me like the first set of figures were created with an older
version of PCB and the other set with a newer one and a later date. What
likely happened is that the same circuit was used, but the schematic was
redrawn when the new figures were added, and because the parts would have
been arranged differently, the reference designators ended up changing. The
underlying circuit appears to be the same, just the names of the parts have
been swapped. You can even see that the footprint of R101 is different.
Ultimately, the rat lines on your pcb should be consistent with the
connections you made in the schematic. So, as long as you connect your
parts accordingly, you should be fine.
Thanks for pointing this out. We should fix it so that it's consistent.
Thanks,
--Chad
On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 5:36 PM Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> Hi Chad,
> The link is:
>
> http://wiki.geda-project.org/geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial
> best regards
> torben
>
> On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 10:55 PM Chad Parker (parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com)
> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>
>> Torben-
>>
>> Are you still working through the Bill Wilson tutorial? If so, I'm not
>> sure what you mean by page 6. Can you please provide a link to the tutorial
>> you're referring to?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --Chad
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 3:44 PM Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Chad,
>>> I am confused by the UBUNTU geda tutorial.
>>> In the beginning R101, R102 and R103 are placed together. On page 6
>>> R102, R201 and R103 are placed together in the same place and R102 is
>>> placed where R201 was before.
>>> I have other problems - fx with lines created in PCB - but I would take
>>> one example to see if the confusion is my problem.
>>> torben
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 5:10 PM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Chad,
>>>> I deleted all files except Project, one.sch and two.sch and ran
>>>> gsch2pcb once - and it worked.
>>>> torben
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 11:11 PM Chad Parker (parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com)
>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Torben-
>>>>>
>>>>> The second time you run gsch2pcb it looks at the differences. The
>>>>> first time it may not have picked up all of the elements due to footprint
>>>>> name errors. The second time (and all subsequent times) you run it, it
>>>>> produces board.*new*.pcb, which contains the new elements, so that it
>>>>> doesn't overwrite your original file. To get them into the layout, you have
>>>>> to do as it says: open the layout then go to the file menu, select "load
>>>>> layout data to paste buffer", and select board.new.pcb. Then you can paste
>>>>> them into the layout.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alternatively, if you haven't done any work on the pcb yet, you can
>>>>> delete board.pcb and board.new.pcb and rerun gsch2pcb.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, make sure that you execute Select > Disperse All Elements, as
>>>>> sometimes the elements will overlap when they're brought into the layout.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> --Chad
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 2:44 PM Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> It is rather confusing. When I run gsch2pcb project I get:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>>>> Done processing. Work performed:
>>>>>> 5 file elements and 0 m4 elements added to board.new.pcb.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Next steps:
>>>>>> 1. Run pcb on your file board.pcb.
>>>>>> 2. From within PCB, select "File -> Load layout data to paste buffer"
>>>>>> and select board.new.pcb to load the new footprints into your
>>>>>> existing layout.
>>>>>> 3. From within PCB, select "File -> Load netlist file" and select
>>>>>> board.net to load the updated netlist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4. From within PCB, enter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :ExecuteFile(board.cmd)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to update the pin names of all footprints.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First it does not tally with the description given in the tutorial -
>>>>>> I am using the one that comes with Ubuntu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Second, when I run pcb board.pcb I get only the transistor and the
>>>>>> resistor on the screen with a yellow line leading nowhere. Should'nt I get
>>>>>> both one.sch and two.sch? If I folllow the instructions above I add the
>>>>>> one.sch to the screen all bundled up. Both one.sch and two.sch appear to be
>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I say, I am confused.
>>>>>> best ergards
>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 3:46 PM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It worked.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 3:26 PM Chad Parker (
>>>>>>> parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <
>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Torben-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Welcome to the community! Please feel free to post any questions
>>>>>>>> you may have.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think the issue is that the CONNECTOR is no longer an m4 element,
>>>>>>>> so, it's not generating it the way the tutorial thinks it should.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looking through the pcb element footprints, there is, however, a
>>>>>>>> footprint "CONNECTOR 1 2". I suspect that will serve for your purposes.
>>>>>>>> Please try changing "CONNECTOR 2 1" --> "CONNECTOR 1 2" and see if that
>>>>>>>> fixes it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> --Chad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:00 AM Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com)
>>>>>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>> This is my first attempt at using geda-help.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When in the Bill Wilson gEDA tutorial I use:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> gsch2pcb project
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I get the following message in the log:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> CONN202: can't find PCB element for footprint CONNECTOR-2-1
>>>>>>>>> (value=unknown).
>>>>>>>>> So device CONN202 will not be in the layout.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The attributes of the connector are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> device: BNC
>>>>>>>>> footprint: CONNECTOR 2 1
>>>>>>>>> refdes: CONN202
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think that I have followed the instructions, so what is wrong?
>>>>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Torben-</div><div><br></div><div>Okay, I see what you=
're referring to. This is a bug in the tutorial. It looks to me like th=
e first set of figures were created with an older version of PCB and the ot=
her set with a newer one and a later date. What likely happened is that the=
same circuit was used, but the schematic was redrawn when the new figures =
were added, and because the parts would have been arranged differently, the=
reference designators ended up changing. The underlying circuit appears to=
be the same, just the names of the parts have been swapped. You can even s=
ee that the footprint of R101 is different.</div><div><br></div><div>Ultima=
tely, the rat lines on your pcb should be consistent with the connections y=
ou made in the schematic. So, as long as you connect your parts accordingly=
, you should be fine.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for pointing this=
out. We should fix it so that it's consistent.<br></div><div><br></div=
><div>Thanks,</div><div>--Chad<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 5:36 PM Torben Friis (<a href=3D"=
mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:ged=
a-help AT delorie DOT com">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-h=
elp AT delorie DOT com">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px sol=
id rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">H=
i Chad,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvet=
ica,sans-serif;font-size:large">The link is:</div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif;font-size:large"><a href=3D"http://wiki.geda-project.org/geda:gsch2pc=
b_tutorial" target=3D"_blank">http://wiki.geda-project.org/geda:gsch2pcb_tu=
torial</a></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,hel=
vetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">best regards</div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">tor=
ben<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, =
Jan 2, 2019 at 10:55 PM Chad Parker (<a href=3D"mailto:parker DOT charles AT gmail=
.com" target=3D"_blank">parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailt=
o:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<=
a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie=
.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1=
ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Torben-</div><div><br></div><div>Are you still wo=
rking through the Bill Wilson tutorial? If so, I'm not sure what you me=
an by page 6. Can you please provide a link to the tutorial you're refe=
rring to?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>--Chad<br></div></=
div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at =
3:44 PM Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank=
">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT de=
lorie.com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:large">Hi Chad,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:=
arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I am confused by the UBUNTU ged=
a tutorial.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,he=
lvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">In the beginning R101, R102 and R103 ar=
e placed together. On page 6=C2=A0 R102, R201 and R103 are placed together =
in the same place and R102 is placed where R201 was before.</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:large">I have other problems - fx with lines created in PCB - but I would=
take one example to see if the confusion is my problem.</div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:l=
arge">torben<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 5:10 PM Torben Friis <<a href=3D"mailto:friistf=
@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:large">Hi Chad,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ar=
ial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I deleted all files except Projec=
t, one.sch and two.sch and ran gsch2pcb once - and it worked.</div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:large">torben<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 11:11 PM Chad Parker (<a href=3D"mailto:parke=
r DOT charles AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank">parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <=
a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie=
.com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">ge=
da-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)=
;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Torben-</div><div><br></div><di=
v>The second time you run gsch2pcb it looks at the differences. The first t=
ime it may not have picked up all of the elements due to footprint name err=
ors. The second time (and all subsequent times) you run it, it produces boa=
rd.<i>new</i>.pcb, which contains the new elements, so that it doesn't =
overwrite your original file. To get them into the layout, you have to do a=
s it says: open the layout then go to the file menu, select "load layo=
ut data to paste buffer", and select board.new.pcb. Then you can paste=
them into the layout.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Alternatively, if you h=
aven't done any work on the pcb yet, you can delete board.pcb and board=
.new.pcb and rerun gsch2pcb.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, make sure that =
you execute Select > Disperse All Elements, as sometimes the elements wi=
ll overlap when they're brought into the layout.<br></div><div><br></di=
v><div>Cheers,</div><div>--Chad<br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 2:44 PM Torben F=
riis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail.=
com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">ge=
da-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid r=
gb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-famil=
y:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi,</div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I=
t is rather confusing. When I run gsch2pcb project I get:</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,=
helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">----------------------------------<br=
>Done processing.=C2=A0 Work performed:<br>5 file elements and 0 m4 element=
s added to board.new.pcb.<br><br>Next steps:<br>1.=C2=A0 Run pcb on your fi=
le board.pcb.<br>2.=C2=A0 From within PCB, select "File -> Load lay=
out data to paste buffer"<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 and select board.new.p=
cb to load the new footprints into your existing layout.<br>3.=C2=A0 From w=
ithin PCB, select "File -> Load netlist file" and select <br>=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://board.net" target=3D"_blank">board.net=
</a> to load the updated netlist.<br><br>4.=C2=A0 From within PCB, enter<br=
><br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 :ExecuteF=
ile(board.cmd)<br><br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 to update the pin names of all foo=
tprints.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helve=
tica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" sty=
le=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">First it does=
not tally with the description given in the tutorial - I am using the one =
that comes with Ubuntu.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large=
">Second, when I run pcb board.pcb I get only the transistor and the resist=
or on the screen with a yellow line leading nowhere. Should'nt I get bo=
th one.sch and two.sch? If I folllow the instructions above I add the one.s=
ch to the screen all bundled up. Both one.sch and two.sch appear to be OK.<=
br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,=
sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">As I say, I am con=
fused.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helveti=
ca,sans-serif;font-size:large">best ergards<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">tor=
ben<br></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div di=
r=3D"ltr">On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 3:46 PM Torben Friis <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:friistf AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>> wrote:<br>=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
order-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;=
font-size:large">It worked. <br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 3:26 PM Chad Parker (<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank">parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com</=
a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-he=
lp AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"=
_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(20=
4,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Torben-</div><div><br=
></div><div>Welcome to the community! Please feel free to post any question=
s you may have.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I think the issue is that the =
CONNECTOR is no longer an m4 element, so, it's not generating it the wa=
y the tutorial thinks it should. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Looking thro=
ugh the pcb element footprints, there is, however, a footprint "CONNEC=
TOR 1 2". I suspect that will serve for your purposes. Please try chan=
ging "CONNECTOR 2 1" --> "CONNECTOR 1 2" and see if =
that fixes it.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>--Chad<br></div><=
div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:00 AM Torbe=
n Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gma=
il.com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank"=
>geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px soli=
d rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div=
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:large">Hi,<br>This is my first attempt at using geda-help.<br><br>W=
hen in the Bill Wilson gEDA tutorial I use:<br><br>gsch2pcb project<br><br>=
I get the following message in the log:<br><br>CONN202: can't find PCB =
element for footprint CONNECTOR-2-1 (value=3Dunknown).<br>So device CONN202=
will not be in the layout.<br><br>The attributes of the connector are.<br>=
<br>device: BNC<br>footprint: CONNECTOR 2 1<br>refdes: CONN202<br><br>I thi=
nk that I have followed the instructions, so what is wrong?<br>best regards=
<br>torben<br></div></div></div>
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