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On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 5:25 PM, John Doty <jpd AT noqsi DOT com> wrote:
>
> On Dec 22, 2015, at 6:48 PM, Britton Kerin (britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com) [via
> geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>
> As for refusing code because it doesn't fit the vision, gEDA isn't in a
> good position to do this.
>
> Geda-gaf is in an excellent position to do this. It=E2=80=99s mature, eff=
ective,
> and flexible. It could be better, but making it better requires disciplin=
e
> more than lines of code. It=E2=80=99s *hard* to make good code better: it=
=E2=80=99s much
> easier to make it worse.
>
But they aren't modifying it with the intention of making it worse, and on
the average there's no real reason to assume the "leader" is going to be a
better judge than the contributor, especially on the issue the contributor
is trying to address. All FOSS works essentially on this principle. If
you don't like it perhaps FOSS isn't for you.
> It makes devels quit and there aren't that many to begin with.
>
> On the other hand, pcb suffers from a lack of discipline. I find it an
> unusable conceptual tangle. The problem is not a lack of developers, but
> the lack of a vision. To the user, it=E2=80=99s just a random grab bag of=
features.
>
But because you don't use it, nobody takes your opinions about it
seriously. Same principle again.
Britton
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 5:25 PM, John Doty <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:jpd AT noqsi DOT com" target=3D"_blank">jpd AT noqsi DOT com</a>></span> w=
rote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"=
><br><div><div>On Dec 22, 2015, at 6:48 PM, Britton Kerin (<a href=3D"mailt=
o:britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank">britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com</a>) [=
via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-user AT de=
lorie.com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blan=
k">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><spa=
n style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-vari=
ant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text=
-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-sp=
acing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">As for refusing code because=
it doesn't fit the vision, gEDA isn't in a good position to do thi=
s.</span></blockquote>Geda-gaf is in an excellent position to do this. It=
=E2=80=99s mature, effective, and flexible. It could be better, but making =
it better requires discipline more than lines of code. It=E2=80=99s *hard* =
to make good code better: it=E2=80=99s much easier to make it worse.</div><=
/div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style=3D"">But they aren't modify=
ing it with the intention of making it worse, and on the average there'=
s no real reason to assume the "leader" is going to be a better j=
udge than the contributor, especially on the issue the contributor is tryin=
g to address.=C2=A0 All FOSS works essentially on this principle.=C2=A0 If =
you don't like it perhaps FOSS isn't for you.</div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:norma=
l;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:=
normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:nor=
mal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">=C2=A0 It makes d=
evels quit and there aren't that many to begin with.</span></blockquote=
></div><div>On the other hand, pcb suffers from a lack of discipline. I fin=
d it an unusable conceptual tangle. The problem is not a lack of developers=
, but the lack of a vision. To the user, it=E2=80=99s just a random grab ba=
g of features.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style=3D"">But b=
ecause you don't use it, nobody takes your opinions about it seriously.=
=C2=A0 Same principle again.</div><div><br></div><div style=3D"">Britton</d=
iv></div></div></div>
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