X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to djgpp-bounces using -f X-Recipient: djgpp AT delorie DOT com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 591451 DOT 84755 DOT bm AT omp1053 DOT mail DOT sp2 DOT yahoo DOT com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com.ar; s=s1024; t=1297201892; bh=H1hemsLFWWOddKQvqXNkhzVlCLXk7du9H3THwPHElNk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ghw9IaT4yCxo2yK/cqvWm8+96wgRvAOBREuGnv6vokgF9ii3wuK+dz8peyqCiua8CF91nPZW8vxCjSuS8pV/J0SBkkZIpvIr6OEmZtMb6tG95cQH2Gor5bXZ58UXXe2riBsLJjr3KIQ/1roMz6XFwJz/pGYn8vhFOBN6nDGw2jk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.ar; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=30ikBQ3vK6fO+wTnANLLMJIz0nYFKM3FatxqmqnVgJHn+UVWT1ywRvrxmfBoMy5n1Y3zCk8hDODdqNpGeMkAjtSUHVVyUeLFRMNhHeLihbPRXzJjC8ety7zCIEqHUiuaHZYMF+AdR8PDQnN7XnBy8BxX3nDUh0vXgLamd1tUCsM=; Message-ID: <424122.33756.qm@web45111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: VEf8QO0VM1mILwa1FksWNzGVILgmonn9BVtAXOTIaltOYGS RpQ7UIiCSYVDEibc4gggOwmVpaXaJ_Tql2ZAjOIBeRVWs0GnZIJGRWheE0ux RZQxcKE6aZ3KmDqay85I9lawdDJyXyzu7pCxjfWX5EXLcZUnzomsw3QtIekU dRM__3mt3W.JDv8SdJ16Kb5pU6RCigojYB5JHGsAj61QxQgSf09l9pwFC9qb 103AZCsktPA4rLFmIkckIyji.r6IetL.va6ockmt2B.UiLdY- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.108.291010 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 13:51:31 -0800 (PST) From: Pablo Marty Subject: Re: VIRTUAL BOX and my GAME - Mr Rod Pemberton To: djgpp AT delorie DOT com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-780255441-1297201891=:33756" Reply-To: djgpp AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: djgpp AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk --0-780255441-1297201891=:33756 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now I've read it entirely. Rod, it isn't for you to get so anoyed with DJGP= P, it will never be dead ..... neither the DOS system .... I hope some day = you (all members) can run my game and see what I could do with DJGPP in a r= elatively easy way .... can you imagine the mess it would be to write a gam= e with other languages??? or to edit graphics??? with DJGPP I made my own g= raphics editor ...=20 //// I know that perhaps Mr DJ Delorie's way to say things isn't the best, = but it's his way, ... I don=B4t disbelieve of his good intention neither an= yone else =A0 I have just got 2 ideas: 1st I could give my code files to the list so the = ones who want could learn to write games (like Mario) though=A0my code is q= uite untidy .... 2nd perhaps you, Rugxulo, could upload somewhere my Mario game, so everyone= can see it, for though it is running from Windows XP (without music) but I= think it would be good that djgpp people knows it .... modestly I think it= 's good,=A0mainly it took me 2 or 3 years working a few hours some days ...= . then probably all members will be happier to help me with VBox =A0 I wish those who are altered succed in calming down, and return to normal w= ay thank you=A0 Pablo Asesinar y comer un perro o un gato es lo mismo q hacerlo a una vaca, un po= llo, un cerdo o un pez. El genocidio no discrimina. No seas complice de gen= ocidas. No seas genocida. En la vida tarde o temprano todo vuelve. No comas= cadaveres. No seas necr=F3fago.=20 --- El mar 8-feb-11, Rod Pemberton escribi= =F3: De: Rod Pemberton Asunto: Re: VIRTUAL BOX and my GAME - Mr Rod Pemberton Para: djgpp AT delorie DOT com Fecha: martes, 8 de febrero de 2011, 14:45 "DJ Delorie" wrote in message news:xnfwrzpw1i DOT fsf AT delorie DOT com... > "Rod Pemberton" writes: > > > If so, it's likely the DJGPP email to Usenet gateway rejected. > > It did.=A0 No foul language here, please, we have minors using DJGPP. > I'd respect that position, if I thought it were true.=A0 However, this is Usenet.=A0 It's not for children.=A0 It never has been.=A0 Think of all the= binary alt.* groups.=A0 It wasn't 25 years ago.=A0 It still isn't today.=A0 I'm no= t aware of ever seeing a post from a child. The volume here is virtually non-existant.=A0 I'm surprised comp.os.msdos.djgpp didn't get itself on the recent Big-8 deletion list.=A0= If Andris Pavenis and Juan Manuel Guerrero hadn't been posting "ANNOUNCE" messages, I think this group might've failed the Big-8 stage 1 requirements= . This group is not a DJGPP forum, or Listserv that you control DJ.=A0 You could've made this group moderated, if you so wished.=A0 You didn't.=A0 Tha= t's your failure. You still can, but AISI there is no point anymore.=A0 DJGPP's time has past.=A0 Well, there might be one point to moderation: Big-8 doesn= 't delete moderated groups.=A0 Or, two: you can block any words you don't like= , for any language. DJGPP is not being used to code DOS, e.g., FreeDOS or DR-DOS.=A0 It was bei= ng used to code FreeDOS-32, but that's been stalled for 6 years now.=A0 AFAIK, it's not being used to code new OSes, or any major applications.=A0 DJGPP hasn't progressed in the 6 or 7 years that I've been reading here.=A0 The handful of serious users of DJGPP stopped posting 3 to 4 years ago.=A0 I'd guess that most moved on.=A0 For all practical purposes, DJGPP is dead.=A0 = It's frozen in time.=A0 It tried to move to XP, sort of...=A0 It hasn't, yet... That's still in Beta.=A0 7 years of Beta...=A0 No demand?=A0 It has yet to = find another OS to give it purpose, or something to give it life, like a DOS shell for Windows 7.=A0 I've repeatedly suggested two things that could breathe some life into DJGPP: GNU GLIBC, and recompiled v2.03 with 64-bit support enabled.=A0 GLIBC would allow GNU tools on DOS to just work.=A0 64-= bit would allow current users to migrate from 32-bit.=A0 They'll have to do so = at some point.=A0 I.e., you'll lose them.=A0 So, the void is/was being filled = by other compilers: Cygwin, Pelles C, LCC-Win32, LLVM, MinGW, etc.=A0 All the recent x86 OS developers seem to be using Linux w/GNU GCC, or MASM. Rod Pemberton =0A=0A=0A --0-780255441-1297201891=:33756 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now I've read it entirely. Rod, it isn't= for you to get so anoyed with DJGPP, it will never be dead ..... neither t= he DOS system .... I hope some day you (all members) can run my game and se= e what I could do with DJGPP in a relatively easy way .... can you imagine = the mess it would be to write a game with other languages??? or to edit gra= phics??? with DJGPP I made my own graphics editor ...
//// I know that perhaps Mr DJ Delorie's way to say things isn't the b= est, but it's his way, ... I don=B4t disbelieve of his good intention neith= er anyone else
 
I have just got 2 ideas: 1st I could give my code files to the list so= the ones who want could learn to write games (like Mario) though my c= ode is quite untidy ....
2nd perhaps you, Rugxulo, could upload somewhere my Mario game, so eve= ryone can see it, for though it is running from Windows XP (without music) = but I think it would be good that djgpp people knows it .... modestly I thi= nk it's good, mainly it took me 2 or 3 years working a few hours some = days .... then probably all members will be happier to help me with VBox
 
I wish those who are altered succed in calming down, and return to nor= mal way
thank you 
Pablo

Asesinar y comer un perro o un gato es = lo mismo q hacerlo a una vaca, un pollo, un cerdo o un pez. El genocidio no= discrimina. No seas complice de genocidas. No seas genocida. En la vida ta= rde o temprano todo vuelve. No comas cadaveres. No seas necr=F3fago.=

--- El mar 8-feb-11, Rod Pemberton <do_not_have AT no= treplytome.cmm> escribi=F3:

De: Rod Pemberton <do_not_have AT notreplytome DOT cm= m>
Asunto: Re: VIRTUAL BOX and my GAME - Mr Rod Pemberton
Para: dj= gpp AT delorie DOT com
Fecha: martes, 8 de febrero de 2011, 14:45

"DJ Delorie" <dj= @delorie.com> wrote in message
news:xnfwrzpw1i DOT fsf AT delorie DOT com...
> "Rod = Pemberton" <do_not_have AT notreplytome DOT cmm> writes:
>
> > If so, i= t's likely the DJGPP email to Usenet gateway rejected.
>
> It d= id.  No foul language here, please, we have minors using DJGPP.
>= ;

I'd respect that position, if I thought it were true.  Howeve= r, this is
Usenet.  It's not for children.  It never has been.=   Think of all the binary
alt.* groups.  It wasn't 25 years ag= o.  It still isn't today.  I'm not aware
of ever seeing a post from a chi= ld.

The volume here is virtually non-existant.  I'm surprisedcomp.os.msdos.djgpp didn't get itself on the recent Big-8 deletion list.&= nbsp; If
Andris Pavenis and Juan Manuel Guerrero hadn't been posting "AN= NOUNCE"
messages, I think this group might've failed the Big-8 stage 1 r= equirements.

This group is not a DJGPP forum, or Listserv that you c= ontrol DJ.  You
could've made this group moderated, if you so wishe= d.  You didn't.  That's
your failure. You still can, but AISI = there is no point anymore.  DJGPP's
time has past.  Well, ther= e might be one point to moderation: Big-8 doesn't
delete moderated group= s.  Or, two: you can block any words you don't like,
for any langua= ge.

DJGPP is not being used to code DOS, e.g., FreeDOS or DR-DOS.&nb= sp; It was being
used to code FreeDOS-32, but that's been stalled for 6 years now.  AFAIK,
it's not being used to code new OSes, or = any major applications.  DJGPP
hasn't progressed in the 6 or 7 year= s that I've been reading here.  The
handful of serious users of DJG= PP stopped posting 3 to 4 years ago.  I'd
guess that most moved on.=   For all practical purposes, DJGPP is dead.  It's
frozen in t= ime.  It tried to move to XP, sort of...  It hasn't, yet...
Th= at's still in Beta.  7 years of Beta...  No demand?  It has = yet to find
another OS to give it purpose, or something to give it life,= like a DOS
shell for Windows 7.  I've repeatedly suggested two thi= ngs that could
breathe some life into DJGPP: GNU GLIBC, and recompiled v= 2.03 with 64-bit
support enabled.  GLIBC would allow GNU tools on D= OS to just work.  64-bit
would allow current users to migrate from = 32-bit.  They'll have to do so at
some point.  I.e., you'll lose them.  So, the void is/was being filled by
other compi= lers: Cygwin, Pelles C, LCC-Win32, LLVM, MinGW, etc.  All the
recen= t x86 OS developers seem to be using Linux w/GNU GCC, or MASM.


R= od Pemberton



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