X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-help-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-help AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=adyxT3O3ct69uLl5Ko0NMSf/MUxuRR969m/0ODwi2XQ=; b=JDyGhtLAQfJrN7iV417KwxdgZTmxM4QfEWjJSpO406hsBVHdoVC2ffi+AXBvGwLVf9 Mu7ECJVPGzjIHSYPNG1u8bkyF1It+dYb1vcmwUZppSJVdhazavKYd4NwoeNG7+L9n+TN KBkya3AFh6pfQsMzqgdGX6dsHKSi2H37REeINxdH9h7TRI1++RzPlQ6c2Dk1Fqfrcipu hsONwS5JR7PNbGA9KOUPuVHmaUsK3mTvppsHRrvf9nvhZOMUodbNVfWGqJWXHj/oGrV7 aOd5nVQkhW4lUO3YthRxIGeSZJLi2eXzVeMSfz0x2wXOeyHT9awagqxVo2OYy0Lufw1S wTyg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=adyxT3O3ct69uLl5Ko0NMSf/MUxuRR969m/0ODwi2XQ=; b=H9BTH4JvossjGTAeraM+PcU3O/MbP+8Uq19P1PGBJuIGe2ZSq7GjekZWqJIflU6CGs CjbWYfRtBFM5jniaeNjmAMMGzzLxqRaXzVBckcx7sA087L+UHpj5bbO+tPrBMZ3xbUeC tJ2qrdu7lPtH+uXn6w0bzPav0eK6UsxsltEEtoaXBeoyn+Vdc/b/94dOOqoagYsz0SE9 5QPSwRLH9QxzfCweCByA12koKsq1QNnBzytPBUhH8WZTMfAtrHWvkTdhE+BN6Q3jWj0c LeIZCAVDBe9aEd3qvXTN8oj8+ADfIPOk0yH+cf4iaeEXHuejDbNY3BdYa3t9dICavC6b YdLw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVhGk1TOoWOL1jNwI+0stMcJwvSUQTRTcZs2+XKDXrLgZ3Zuurg On1zRwRJKFf9gMxkPaFrTLNzWnk2c+GkMjpS11YCiw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzEUiHwaiWR0MO1x1cPao0E7Zth/pV1MadJfaUYtHkWpHiOBlusdjw5C1cNLssqqvPPKdMDZpZ3sOujDINPZZY= X-Received: by 2002:a25:bd8c:: with SMTP id f12mr14210912ybh.379.1571651284177; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 02:48:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20191018223829 DOT 6ad6ca73fb2d77c5f389399e AT gmail DOT com> <20191019020002 DOT 088a8f4fa249e251d11adfe5 AT gmail DOT com> <20191020183718 DOT e6fccd7def16f88626a4fa24 AT gmail DOT com> <20191021024423 DOT 8d189fc5ca003a8a11384366 AT gmail DOT com> In-Reply-To: <20191021024423.8d189fc5ca003a8a11384366@gmail.com> From: "Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 20:17:51 +1030 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-help] Question: New User - How To Create Very Simple Unique PCB With No Components To: "Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000811a9205956894da" Reply-To: geda-help AT delorie DOT com --000000000000811a9205956894da Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" The aperture made in a polygon with polygon hole tool will also be a polygon. I assumed you'd be making vent holes that are rectangular. A large via turned into a hole may do the same job for you, if you want a round vent hole regards, Erich On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 13:39 John L. Males (jlmales AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com], wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello Erich, > > I have tried the make hole in polygon via the toolbar. It seems > not to make round holes or I am just not using correctly. I > have tried using this make hole in polygon several times the > last few days. It may be that hole does not mean round based > on how I have tried to use the function. > > I have been looking at how parts in the library are made. I > have not found enough details of this yet to attempt making a > air hole part, or more likely hole set 3(wide)x6(long) for the > copper area of sensor board I am trying to make a PCB for. > With a part I can ensure all holes are spaced and sized the > exact same way. I have a few variations of the sensor board I > like to design, so having a part for the air flow holes. > > I also likely need to make parts for different number of screw > terminals and different sizes for screw terminal blocks. > > > John L. Males > Toronto, Ontario > Canada > 20 October 2019 22:44 -0400 EDT > > > ================================================================ > > 2019-10-21 02:33:29+0000-UTC Time: 1571625209 PC/System time > > 21 Oct 02:33:29 ntpdate[23707]: ntpdate 4.2.8p12-a (1) > > 21 Oct 02:33:45 ntpdate[25599]: step time server 35.183.57.169 > offset 0.001036 sec > > FreeBSD 11.3-STABLE FreeBSD 11.3-STABLE #0 r349903: Thu Jul 11 > 16:13:47 UTC 2019 > root AT releng2 DOT nyi DOT freebsd DOT org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > > (Work in progress alternative to Linux Kernel of its own right, > Debian, and > other Linux based Kernel distributions determined.) > > Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz > Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class > CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz > K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz > (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ > 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M > CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) > > dev.cpu.0.temperature: 68.0C > dev.cpu.1.temperature: 68.0C > dev.cpu.2.temperature: 64.0C > dev.cpu.3.temperature: 63.0C > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 67.1C > > vmstat -s: > > 128148525 cpu context switches > 6594426 device interrupts > 1140464 software interrupts > 27350639 traps > 498775320 system calls > 27 kernel threads created > 3323 fork() calls > 1057 vfork() calls > 0 rfork() calls > 0 swap pager pageins > 0 swap pager pages paged in > 0 swap pager pageouts > 0 swap pager pages paged out > 10431 vnode pager pageins > 134839 vnode pager pages paged in > 489 vnode pager pageouts > 7512 vnode pager pages paged out > 0 page daemon wakeups > 13304337 pages examined by the page daemon > 0 clean page reclamation shortfalls > 0 pages reactivated by the page daemon > 285997 copy-on-write faults > 8249 copy-on-write optimized faults > 15484848 zero fill pages zeroed > 7381 zero fill pages prezeroed > 45 intransit blocking page faults > 27568989 total VM faults taken > 17970 page faults requiring I/O > 0 pages affected by kernel thread creation > 219177 pages affected by fork() > 38949 pages affected by vfork() > 0 pages affected by rfork() > 20724523 pages freed > 0 pages freed by daemon > 7108958 pages freed by exiting processes > 287566 pages active > 949024 pages inactive > 76999 pages in the laundry queue > 288726 pages wired down > 405416 pages free > 4096 bytes per page > 4563245 total name lookups > cache hits (93% pos + 3% neg) system 0% per-directory > deletions 0%, falsehits 0%, toolong 0% > > Boot time : 1571592669 > > procs memory page disks > faults cpu0 cpu1 cpu2 cpu3 r b w avm > fre flt re pi po fr sr ad0 pa0 in sy cs us sy > id us sy id us sy id us sy id 0 0 0 29925660 1621604 847 0 > 0 0 637 409 0 0 203 15321 3936 7 4 88 8 3 89 8 > 3 89 8 3 89 > > memory info: > > real memory = 8589934592 (8192 MB) > avail memory = 8166465536 (7788 MB) > > last pid: 35247; load averages: 0.92, 0.98, 0.93 up > 0+09:02:36 02:33:45 60 processes: 1 running, 59 sleeping > > Mem: 1124M Active, 3707M Inact, 301M Laundry, 1128M Wired, 621M > Buf, 1583M Free Swap: 48G Total, 48G Free > > hw.physmem: 8463925248 > hw.usermem: 7281143808 > hw.realmem: 8589934592 > > total used free shared > buffers cached Mem: 8030732 2613004 > 5417728 0 0 0 Swap: > 50331644 0 50331644 > > swapinfo: > > Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity > /dev/ada0s1b 50331644 0 50331644 0% > > vmstat: > > procs memory page disks > faults cpu r b w avm fre flt re pi po > fr sr ad0 pa0 in sy cs us sy id 0 0 0 29925660 > 1621608 847 0 0 0 637 409 0 0 203 15320 3936 > 8 3 89 > > > Message replied to: > > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 12:31:37 +1030 > From: "Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via > geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" To: "Vladimir > Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" > Subject: Re: [geda-help] Question: New > User - How To Create Very Simple Unique PCB With No Components > > > > There is a tool on the toolbar that allows you to make > > openings/holes in polygons. You should try to get the hang of > > this so you can do this around openings to avoid copper > > coming right up to the edge of the aperture, to prevent > > possible tearing of the copper when the opening is being > > routed. This "pullback" is often around 0.2mm > > > > Regards, > > > > Erich > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > iF0EARECAB0WIQQxRId2q5JPHFiozTr5X9dS0HpoEAUCXa0bhwAKCRD5X9dS0Hpo > EHEzAJ4tI/q5pyUNRUzpJSiHOaMx1p6yRQCgzxBsQPXcqV1TRcg9SWVVjVdec9M= > =BpWP > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > --000000000000811a9205956894da Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The aperture made in a polygon with polygon hole tool wil= l also be a polygon. I assumed you'd be making vent holes that are rect= angular. A large via turned into a hole may do the same job for you, if you= want a round vent hole

regard= s,

Erich

=
On Mon, 21= Oct 2019 13:39 John L. Males (jlmales= @gmail.com) [via geda-help AT del= orie.com], <geda-help AT delor= ie.com> wrote:
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Hash: SHA1

Hello Erich,

I have tried the make hole in polygon via the toolbar.=C2=A0 It seems
not to make round holes or I am just not using correctly.=C2=A0 I
have tried using this make hole in polygon several times the
last few days.=C2=A0 It may be that hole does not mean round based
on how I have tried to use the function.

I have been looking at how parts in the library are made.=C2=A0 I
have not found enough details of this yet to attempt making a
air hole part, or more likely hole set 3(wide)x6(long) for the
copper area of sensor board I am trying to make a PCB for.
With a part I can ensure all holes are spaced and sized the
exact same way.=C2=A0 I have a few variations of the sensor board I
like to design, so having a part for the air flow holes.

I also likely need to make parts for different number of screw
terminals and different sizes for screw terminal blocks.


John L. Males
Toronto, Ontario
Canada
20 October 2019 22:44 -0400 EDT


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2019-10-21 02:33:29+0000-UTC Time: 1571625209 PC/System time

21 Oct 02:33:29 ntpdate[23707]: ntpdate 4.2.8p12-a (1)

21 Oct 02:33:45 ntpdate[25599]: step time server 35.183.57.169
offset 0.001036 sec

FreeBSD 11.3-STABLE FreeBSD 11.3-STABLE #0 r349903: Thu Jul 11
16:13:47 UTC 2019
root AT releng2 DOT nyi DOT freebsd DOT org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC

(Work in progress alternative to Linux Kernel of its own right,
=C2=A0Debian, and
=C2=A0other Linux based Kernel distributions determined.)

Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz
Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class
CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz
K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz
(1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @
1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M
CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU)

dev.cpu.0.temperature: 68.0C
dev.cpu.1.temperature: 68.0C
dev.cpu.2.temperature: 64.0C
dev.cpu.3.temperature: 63.0C
hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 67.1C

vmstat -s:

128148525 cpu context switches
=C2=A0 6594426 device interrupts
=C2=A0 1140464 software interrupts
=C2=A027350639 traps
498775320 system calls
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A027 kernel threads created
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A07381 zero fill pages prezeroed
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A045 intransit blocking page faults
=C2=A027568989 total VM faults taken
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Boot time : 1571592669

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3 89=C2=A0 8=C2=A0 3 89

memory info:

real memory=C2=A0 =3D 8589934592 (8192 MB)
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last pid: 35247;=C2=A0 load averages:=C2=A0 0.92,=C2=A0 0.98,=C2=A0 0.93=C2= =A0 up
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Mem: 1124M Active, 3707M Inact, 301M Laundry, 1128M Wired, 621M
Buf, 1583M Free Swap: 48G Total, 48G Free

hw.physmem: 8463925248
hw.usermem: 7281143808
hw.realmem: 8589934592

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swapinfo:

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vmstat:

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Message replied to:

Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 12:31:37 +1030
From: "Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via
geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> To= : "Vladimir
Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> Subject: Re: [geda-help] Question: New=
User - How To Create Very Simple Unique PCB With No Components


> There is a tool on the toolbar that allows you to make
> openings/holes in polygons. You should try to get the hang of
> this so you can do this around openings to avoid copper
> coming right up to the edge of the aperture, to prevent
> possible tearing of the copper when the opening is being
> routed. This "pullback" is often around 0.2mm
>
> Regards,
>
> Erich
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