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Males (jlmales AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" To: geda-help AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-help] Question: New User - How To Create Very Simple Unique PCB With No Components Message-Id: <20191021213833.6bef6a8bfbaf6d69e36c2527@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20191018223829 DOT 6ad6ca73fb2d77c5f389399e AT gmail DOT com> <20191019020002 DOT 088a8f4fa249e251d11adfe5 AT gmail DOT com> <20191020183718 DOT e6fccd7def16f88626a4fa24 AT gmail DOT com> <20191021024423 DOT 8d189fc5ca003a8a11384366 AT gmail DOT com> Organization: Toronto, Ontario X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.2) Disposition-Notification-To: jlmales AT gmail DOT com X-Compose-Start-Epoch: `date +%s` Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: geda-help AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-help AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello Erich, That explains a few things that were odd. First the area I created was a rectangle. It would appear the polygon hole tool may be behaving odd as I am trying to use it in a rectangular area. Though a rectangle is a polygon, but maybe the software does not agree. I cannot use a via as the top and bottom copper sides have to be electrically separate. My understating of a via is is a via connects to all layers of a board. That would still mean for a two layer board the top and bottom layer would be connected with a via. John L. Males Toronto, Ontario Canada 21 October 2019 17:38 -0400 EDT ================================================================ 2019-10-21 21:33:40+0000-UTC Time: 1571693620 PC/System time 21 Oct 21:33:40 ntpdate[13536]: ntpdate 4.2.8p12-a (1) 21 Oct 21:33:54 ntpdate[13646]: step time server 132.246.11.238 offset 0.014174 sec FreeBSD 11.3-STABLE FreeBSD 11.3-STABLE #0 r349903: Thu Jul 11 16:13:47 UTC 2019 root AT releng2 DOT nyi DOT freebsd DOT org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC (Work in progress alternative to Linux Kernel of its own right, Debian, and other Linux based Kernel distributions determined.) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) dev.cpu.0.temperature: 67.0C dev.cpu.1.temperature: 68.0C dev.cpu.2.temperature: 65.0C dev.cpu.3.temperature: 64.0C hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 67.1C vmstat -s: 17782318 cpu context switches 752615 device interrupts 182270 software interrupts 10430751 traps 86650963 system calls 27 kernel threads created 2826 fork() calls 458 vfork() calls 0 rfork() calls 0 swap pager pageins 0 swap pager pages paged in 0 swap pager pageouts 0 swap pager pages paged out 5990 vnode pager pageins 72660 vnode pager pages paged in 159 vnode pager pageouts 3112 vnode pager pages paged out 0 page daemon wakeups 4115112 pages examined by the page daemon 0 clean page reclamation shortfalls 0 pages reactivated by the page daemon 144631 copy-on-write faults 1073 copy-on-write optimized faults 8379145 zero fill pages zeroed 0 zero fill pages prezeroed 37 intransit blocking page faults 10566105 total VM faults taken 8565 page faults requiring I/O 0 pages affected by kernel thread creation 135543 pages affected by fork() 16184 pages affected by vfork() 0 pages affected by rfork() 9291227 pages freed 0 pages freed by daemon 3100710 pages freed by exiting processes 403421 pages active 291311 pages inactive 14799 pages in the laundry queue 171684 pages wired down 1126516 pages free 4096 bytes per page 1445115 total name lookups cache hits (92% pos + 4% neg) system 0% per-directory deletions 0%, falsehits 0%, toolong 0% Boot time : 1571687893 procs memory page disks faults cpu0 cpu1 cpu2 cpu3 r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr ad0 pa0 in sy cs us sy id us sy id us sy id us sy id 0 0 0 26911784 4506004 1840 0 1 0 1618 717 0 0 131 15091 3097 7 3 90 7 3 90 7 3 90 7 3 90 memory info: real memory = 8589934592 (8192 MB) avail memory = 8166465536 (7788 MB) last pid: 15327; load averages: 0.58, 0.39, 0.35 up 0+01:35:42 21:33:55 56 processes: 1 running, 55 sleeping Mem: 1576M Active, 1138M Inact, 58M Laundry, 671M Wired, 245M Buf, 4400M Free Swap: 48G Total, 48G Free hw.physmem: 8463925248 hw.usermem: 7760547840 hw.realmem: 8589934592 total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 8030732 2359544 5671188 0 0 0 Swap: 50331644 0 50331644 swapinfo: Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity /dev/ada0s1b 50331644 0 50331644 0% vmstat: procs memory page disks faults cpu r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr ad0 pa0 in sy cs us sy id 0 0 0 26911768 4505984 1841 0 1 0 1619 717 0 0 131 15093 3097 7 3 90 Message replied to: Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 20:17:51 +1030 From: "Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" To: "Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" Subject: Re: [geda-help] Question: New User - How To Create Very Simple Unique PCB With No Components > The aperture made in a polygon with polygon hole tool will > also be a polygon. I assumed you'd be making vent holes that > are rectangular. A large via turned into a hole may do the > same job for you, if you want a round vent hole > > regards, > > Erich > > On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 13:39 John L. Males (jlmales AT gmail DOT com) > [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com], wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hello Erich, > > > > I have tried the make hole in polygon via the toolbar. It > > seems not to make round holes or I am just not using > > correctly. I have tried using this make hole in polygon > > several times the last few days. It may be that hole does > > not mean round based on how I have tried to use the > > function. > > > > I have been looking at how parts in the library are made. I > > have not found enough details of this yet to attempt making > > a air hole part, or more likely hole set 3(wide)x6(long) > > for the copper area of sensor board I am trying to make a > > PCB for. With a part I can ensure all holes are spaced and > > sized the exact same way. I have a few variations of the > > sensor board I like to design, so having a part for the air > > flow holes. > > > > I also likely need to make parts for different number of > > screw terminals and different sizes for screw terminal > > blocks. > > > > > > John L. Males > > Toronto, Ontario > > Canada > > 20 October 2019 22:44 -0400 EDT > > > > > > ================================================================ > > > > 2019-10-21 02:33:29+0000-UTC Time: 1571625209 PC/System time > > > > 21 Oct 02:33:29 ntpdate[23707]: ntpdate 4.2.8p12-a (1) > > > > 21 Oct 02:33:45 ntpdate[25599]: step time server > > 35.183.57.169 offset 0.001036 sec > > > > FreeBSD 11.3-STABLE FreeBSD 11.3-STABLE #0 r349903: Thu Jul > > 11 16:13:47 UTC 2019 > > root AT releng2 DOT nyi DOT freebsd DOT org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > > > > (Work in progress alternative to Linux Kernel of its own > > right, Debian, and > > other Linux based Kernel distributions determined.) > > > > Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz > > Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz > > K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz > > (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ > > 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) > > i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) Intel(R) > > Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) > > > > dev.cpu.0.temperature: 68.0C > > dev.cpu.1.temperature: 68.0C > > dev.cpu.2.temperature: 64.0C > > dev.cpu.3.temperature: 63.0C > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 67.1C > > > > vmstat -s: > > > > 128148525 cpu context switches > > 6594426 device interrupts > > 1140464 software interrupts > > 27350639 traps > > 498775320 system calls > > 27 kernel threads created > > 3323 fork() calls > > 1057 vfork() calls > > 0 rfork() calls > > 0 swap pager pageins > > 0 swap pager pages paged in > > 0 swap pager pageouts > > 0 swap pager pages paged out > > 10431 vnode pager pageins > > 134839 vnode pager pages paged in > > 489 vnode pager pageouts > > 7512 vnode pager pages paged out > > 0 page daemon wakeups > > 13304337 pages examined by the page daemon > > 0 clean page reclamation shortfalls > > 0 pages reactivated by the page daemon > > 285997 copy-on-write faults > > 8249 copy-on-write optimized faults > > 15484848 zero fill pages zeroed > > 7381 zero fill pages prezeroed > > 45 intransit blocking page faults > > 27568989 total VM faults taken > > 17970 page faults requiring I/O > > 0 pages affected by kernel thread creation > > 219177 pages affected by fork() > > 38949 pages affected by vfork() > > 0 pages affected by rfork() > > 20724523 pages freed > > 0 pages freed by daemon > > 7108958 pages freed by exiting processes > > 287566 pages active > > 949024 pages inactive > > 76999 pages in the laundry queue > > 288726 pages wired down > > 405416 pages free > > 4096 bytes per page > > 4563245 total name lookups > > cache hits (93% pos + 3% neg) system 0% > > per-directory deletions 0%, falsehits 0%, toolong 0% > > > > Boot time : 1571592669 > > > > procs memory page disks > > faults cpu0 cpu1 cpu2 cpu3 r b w avm > > fre flt re pi po fr sr ad0 pa0 in sy cs us > > sy id us sy id us sy id us sy id 0 0 0 29925660 1621604 > > 847 0 0 0 637 409 0 0 203 15321 3936 7 4 88 > > 8 3 89 8 3 89 8 3 89 > > > > memory info: > > > > real memory = 8589934592 (8192 MB) > > avail memory = 8166465536 (7788 MB) > > > > last pid: 35247; load averages: 0.92, 0.98, 0.93 up > > 0+09:02:36 02:33:45 60 processes: 1 running, 59 sleeping > > > > Mem: 1124M Active, 3707M Inact, 301M Laundry, 1128M Wired, > > 621M Buf, 1583M Free Swap: 48G Total, 48G Free > > > > hw.physmem: 8463925248 > > hw.usermem: 7281143808 > > hw.realmem: 8589934592 > > > > total used free shared > > buffers cached Mem: 8030732 2613004 > > 5417728 0 0 0 Swap: > > 50331644 0 50331644 > > > > swapinfo: > > > > Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity > > /dev/ada0s1b 50331644 0 50331644 0% > > > > vmstat: > > > > procs memory page disks > > faults cpu r b w avm fre flt re pi po > > fr sr ad0 pa0 in sy cs us sy id 0 0 0 29925660 > > 1621608 847 0 0 0 637 409 0 0 203 15320 3936 > > 8 3 89 > > > > > > Message replied to: > > > > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 12:31:37 +1030 > > From: "Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via > > geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" To: > > "Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) [via > > geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" Subject: > > Re: [geda-help] Question: New User - How To Create Very > > Simple Unique PCB With No Components > > > > > > > There is a tool on the toolbar that allows you to make > > > openings/holes in polygons. You should try to get the > > > hang of this so you can do this around openings to avoid > > > copper coming right up to the edge of the aperture, to > > > prevent possible tearing of the copper when the opening > > > is being routed. This "pullback" is often around 0.2mm > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Erich > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > iF0EARECAB0WIQQxRId2q5JPHFiozTr5X9dS0HpoEAUCXa0bhwAKCRD5X9dS0Hpo > > EHEzAJ4tI/q5pyUNRUzpJSiHOaMx1p6yRQCgzxBsQPXcqV1TRcg9SWVVjVdec9M= > > =BpWP > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQQxRId2q5JPHFiozTr5X9dS0HpoEAUCXa4lWQAKCRD5X9dS0Hpo ENiOAJ4obIH6aeF9nBUJcbqeNk+vce0N1ACdHmTfjbfH1sgq0Yyo3BR0iqLeZPc= =Wv3a -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----