On Mon, Oct 21, 2019, 18:04 John L. Males (jlmales AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:

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Hello Erich,

That explains a few things that were odd.=C2=A0 First the area I
created was a rectangle.=C2=A0 It would appear the polygon hole tool
may be behaving odd as I am trying to use it in a rectangular
area.=C2=A0 Though a rectangle is a polygon, but maybe the software
does not agree.

I cannot use a via as the top and bottom copper sides have to
be electrically separate.=C2=A0 My understating of a via is is a via
connects to all layers of a board.=C2=A0 That would still mean for a
two layer board the top and bottom layer would be connected with
a via.

John L. Males
Toronto, Ontario
Canada
21 October 2019 17:38 -0400 EDT

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2019-10-21 21:33:40+0000-UTC Time: 1571693620 PC/System time

21 Oct 21:33:40 ntpdate[13536]: ntpdate 4.2.8p12-a (1)

21 Oct 21:33:54 ntpdate[13646]: step time server 132.246.11.238
offset 0.014174 sec

FreeBSD 11.3-STABLE FreeBSD 11.3-STABLE #0 r349903: Thu Jul 11
16:13:47 UTC 2019
root AT releng2 DOT nyi DOT freebsd DOT org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC

(Work in progress alternative to Linux Kernel of its own right,
=C2=A0Debian, and
=C2=A0other Linux based Kernel distributions determined.)

Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz
Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class
CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz
K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz
(1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @
1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M
CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU)

dev.cpu.0.temperature: 67.0C
dev.cpu.1.temperature: 68.0C
dev.cpu.2.temperature: 65.0C
dev.cpu.3.temperature: 64.0C
hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 67.1C

vmstat -s:

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memory info:

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Mem: 1576M Active, 1138M Inact, 58M Laundry, 671M Wired, 245M
Buf, 4400M Free Swap: 48G Total, 48G Free

hw.physmem: 8463925248
hw.usermem: 7760547840
hw.realmem: 8589934592

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swapinfo:

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vmstat:

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Message replied to:

Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 20:17:51 +1030
From: "Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via
geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> To= : "Vladimir
Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> Subject: Re: [geda-help] Question: New=
User - How To Create Very Simple Unique PCB With No Components

> The aperture made in a polygon with polygon hole tool will
> also be a polygon. I assumed you'd be making vent holes that
> are rectangular. A large via turned into a hole may do the
> same job for you, if you want a round vent hole
>
> regards,
>
> Erich
>
> On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 13:39 John L. Males (jlmales AT gmail DOT com)
> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com&g= t; wrote:
>
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> > Hello Erich,
> >
> > I have tried the make hole in polygon via the toolbar.=C2=A0 It > > seems not to make round holes or I am just not using
> > correctly.=C2=A0 I have tried using this make hole in polygon
> > several times the last few days.=C2=A0 It may be that hole does > > not mean round based on how I have tried to use the
> > function.
> >
> > I have been looking at how parts in the library are made.=C2=A0 I=
> > have not found enough details of this yet to attempt making
> > a air hole part, or more likely hole set 3(wide)x6(long)
> > for the copper area of sensor board I am trying to make a
> > PCB for. With a part I can ensure all holes are spaced and
> > sized the exact same way.=C2=A0 I have a few variations of the > > sensor board I like to design, so having a part for the air
> > flow holes.
> >
> > I also likely need to make parts for different number of
> > screw terminals and different sizes for screw terminal
> > blocks.
> >
> >
> > John L. Males
> > Toronto, Ontario
> > Canada
> > 20 October 2019 22:44 -0400 EDT
> >
> >
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> >
> > 2019-10-21 02:33:29+0000-UTC Time: 1571625209 PC/System time
> >
> > 21 Oct 02:33:29 ntpdate[23707]: ntpdate 4.2.8p12-a (1)
> >
> > 21 Oct 02:33:45 ntpdate[25599]: step time server
> > 35.183.57.169 offset 0.001036 sec
> >
> > FreeBSD 11.3-STABLE FreeBSD 11.3-STABLE #0 r349903: Thu Jul
> > 11 16:13:47 UTC 2019
> > root AT releng2 DOT nyi DOT freebsd DOT org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
> >
> > (Work in progress alternative to Linux Kernel of its own
> > right, Debian, and
> >=C2=A0 other Linux based Kernel distributions determined.)
> >
> > Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz
> > Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz
> > K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz
> > (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @
> > 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM)
> > i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) Intel(R)
> > Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU)
> >
> > dev.cpu.0.temperature: 68.0C
> > dev.cpu.1.temperature: 68.0C
> > dev.cpu.2.temperature: 64.0C
> > dev.cpu.3.temperature: 63.0C
> > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 67.1C
> >
> > vmstat -s:
> >
> > 128148525 cpu context switches
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A06594426 device interrupts
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A01140464 software interrupts
> >=C2=A0 27350639 traps
> > 498775320 system calls
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 27 kernel threads created
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3323=C2=A0 fork() calls
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1057 vfork() calls
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 rfork() calls
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 swap pager pageins
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 swap pager pages paged in
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 swap pager pageouts
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 swap pager pages paged out
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A010431 vnode pager pageins
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 134839 vnode pager pages paged in
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0489 vnode pager pageouts
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 7512 vnode pager pages paged out
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 page daemon wakeups
> >=C2=A0 13304337 pages examined by the page daemon
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 clean page reclamation shortfa= lls
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 pages reactivated by the page = daemon
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 285997 copy-on-write faults
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 8249 copy-on-write optimized faults
> >=C2=A0 15484848 zero fill pages zeroed
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 7381 zero fill pages prezeroed
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 45 intransit blocking page faults
> >=C2=A0 27568989 total VM faults taken
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A017970 page faults requiring I/O
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 pages affected by kernel threa= d creation
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 219177 pages affected by=C2=A0 fork()
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A038949 pages affected by vfork()
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 pages affected by rfork()
> >=C2=A0 20724523 pages freed
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 pages freed by daemon
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A07108958 pages freed by exiting processes
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 287566 pages active
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 949024 pages inactive
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A076999 pages in the laundry queue
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 288726 pages wired down
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 405416 pages free
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4096 bytes per page
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A04563245 total name lookups
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cache hits (93% pos + 3% = neg) system 0%
> > per-directory deletions 0%, falsehits 0%, toolong 0%
> >
> > Boot time : 1571592669
> >
> > procs=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0memory=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 page= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 disks=
> > faults=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 cpu0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cpu1=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cpu2=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cpu3 r b w=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0avm<= br> > > fre=C2=A0 flt=C2=A0 re=C2=A0 pi=C2=A0 po=C2=A0 =C2=A0 fr=C2=A0 = =C2=A0sr ad0 pa0=C2=A0 =C2=A0in=C2=A0 =C2=A0 sy=C2=A0 =C2=A0 cs us
> > sy id us sy id us sy id us sy id 0 0 0 29925660 1621604
> > 847=C2=A0 =C2=A00 0=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0637=C2=A0 409=C2=A0= =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 203 15321=C2=A0 3936=C2=A0 7=C2=A0 4 88
> > 8=C2=A0 3 89=C2=A0 8 3 89=C2=A0 8=C2=A0 3 89
> >
> > memory info:
> >
> > real memory=C2=A0 =3D 8589934592 (8192 MB)
> > avail memory =3D 8166465536 (7788 MB)
> >
> > last pid: 35247;=C2=A0 load averages:=C2=A0 0.92,=C2=A0 0.98,=C2= =A0 0.93=C2=A0 up
> > 0+09:02:36=C2=A0 =C2=A0 02:33:45 60 processes:=C2=A0 1 running, 5= 9 sleeping
> >
> > Mem: 1124M Active, 3707M Inact, 301M Laundry, 1128M Wired,
> > 621M Buf, 1583M Free Swap: 48G Total, 48G Free
> >
> > hw.physmem: 8463925248
> > hw.usermem: 7281143808
> > hw.realmem: 8589934592
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 total=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0used=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0free=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0sha= red
> > buffers=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cached Mem:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= 8030732=C2=A0 =C2=A0 2613004
> > 5417728=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 Swap:
> > 50331644=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0=C2=A0 =C2=A050331644=
> >
> > swapinfo:
> >
> > Device=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1K-blocks=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0Used=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Avail Capacity
> > /dev/ada0s1b=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A050331644=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 0 50331644=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00%
> >
> > vmstat:
> >
> > procs=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0memory=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 page= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 disks=
> > faults=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cpu r b w=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0avm=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0fre=C2=A0 flt=C2=A0 re=C2=A0 pi=C2=A0 po
> > fr=C2=A0 =C2=A0sr ad0 pa0=C2=A0 =C2=A0in=C2=A0 =C2=A0 sy=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 cs us sy id 0 0 0 29925660
> > 1621608=C2=A0 847=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0= =C2=A0637=C2=A0 409=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 203 15320=C2=A0 3936=
> > 8=C2=A0 3 89
> >
> >
> > Message replied to:
> >
> > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 12:31:37 +1030
> > From: "Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via
> > geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-help AT delorie DOT com<= /a>> To:
> > "Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) [via
> > geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-help AT delorie DOT com<= /a>> Subject:
> > Re: [geda-help] Question: New User - How To Create Very
> > Simple Unique PCB With No Components
> >
> >
> > > There is a tool on the toolbar that allows you to make
> > > openings/holes in polygons. You should try to get the
> > > hang of this so you can do this around openings to avoid
> > > copper coming right up to the edge of the aperture, to
> > > prevent possible tearing of the copper when the opening
> > > is being routed. This "pullback" is often around 0= .2mm
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Erich
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