X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at neurotica.com Message-ID: <50A95721.7080704@neurotica.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:46:09 -0500 From: Dave McGuire User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121028 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] Thoughts on gschem UI References: <50A688B8 DOT 4090809 AT neurotica DOT com> <50A6A265 DOT 6050300 AT neurotica DOT com> <4E8E6F31-EF8D-4540-BA86-7935C1C3E6D8 AT noqsi DOT com> <50A6A95C DOT 5030903 AT neurotica DOT com> <355DEF4F-51BB-44A8-A5F4-D8564E7E7885 AT noqsi DOT com> <20121116213601 DOT 13718 DOT qmail AT stuge DOT se> <66889AAB-3A82-4861-ACB0-B35A876EF6F4 AT noqsi DOT com> <50A83AAA DOT 6060500 AT jump-ing DOT de> <50A8615E DOT 2080800 AT neurotica DOT com> <05730E0F-4DA1-47C8-80BB-5D4F37EFD94E AT noqsi DOT com> <50A8675D DOT 30509 AT neurotica DOT com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com On 11/18/2012 04:12 PM, Svenn Are Bjerkem wrote: > I don't know why guile became the scripting language of geda, but if > you have a look at this, http://www.vanderburg.org/OldPages/Tcl/war/, > you will know what GNU founder Stallman thinks. I guess using guile is > only something for GNU projects due to the license. Stallman is a bit, erm, crazy, but that has nothing to do with the suitability of Scheme as a domain-specific scripting language. Guile is but one implementation of Scheme. > Other CAD tools, both EDA and mechanical, use some kind of extension > language. Lisp seems to be used by tools with long history, and newer > tools use anything from python through perl to lua and ruby. If gEDA moves to Perl as its scripting language, I'm going back to pencil and paper. Lisp is used by the ones with long history, but it CONTINUES to be used there because it's a very good tool for the job. Autodesk isn't dumping Autolisp for Perl or Ruby. ;) > A large number of commercial EDA tools use Tcl. Tcl is kind of the > reason why guile exist. If you google on John Ousterhout and Richard > Stallman, I think a lot of historical reasons for the existence of > guile will show up. You know, I have tried to like Tcl off-and-on for about twenty years now. I've really tried. I just think it's a very ugly language. Powerful, yes...there's no doubt about that. But people who like Tcl also tend to think Bud Light is good beer. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA