X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=OwKpgaDIJB8Scy0VcMEzv0H9/wSpeX8PQPIu/gyC3qA=; b=Ih4BWS/YrQwtkz2g1S39hpF8NH+S/bqYn4RBuCyQLM6MQCX9d40UvsxHFJmsXDLXH6 98Q/cECD5xVGltee0WXOmxOGEf7CXimbqgHF1M99mmhFM4304PoOqNqbmxTBRvlgDG0S 1Vtfy+QYLGwnEDnK/KkWLn6VAqs2/dyx1G33DL2KRuKjnc+d8eWcWWzVgMxX9zg3E1T3 kkjNKQijbRNEySSJ5/9XHdUnPlO95uKXRw6UC/GOOV9OS21+6IfDTi1gd0CFijVrbd5i lCamhyx3t38aKNIs7QIbKY7DSYLSExRlJCe0N8n+YzVkOgYYT/WPSacpdYFNnZcvhnU/ yyXA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.174.197 with SMTP id bu5mr118838wjc.71.1396441143869; Wed, 02 Apr 2014 05:19:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20140402112140 DOT 5df5a754 AT richard-laptop> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 14:19:03 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] printing from PCB From: Levente To: gEDA User Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013d1a6054887504f60e4af2 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk --089e013d1a6054887504f60e4af2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I prefer vector graphics. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Jason White < whitewaterssoftwareinfo AT gmail DOT com> wrote: > Building your own boards, ay? > > I know this isn't directly related to your question but I always exported > a 1000 dpi monochrome PNG file for each layer and loaded it into GIMP or > another photo manipulation program. From there I could panelize my design > (tile it), add descriptive headers such as "THIS SIDE UP" and print it with > a supposed .001" accuracy. At 1000dip the resolution of the image in pixels > correlated directly to how many thousands of an inch wide it was supposed > to be, simplifying the task of recognizing how big or small a design really > was. > > One thing I found was that the large commercial printers such as the ones > Staples or OfficMax typically have, print *far* superior masks > (transparency slides) than anything I could achieve at home with a consumer > laser printer. If you are doing photo-lithography (the photo transfer > method) I would strongly recommend getting a pdf of the mask printed off by > them for a buck or two. Typically home printed transparencies have to be > doubled up for additional opacity, whereas theirs did not. > > I found this to be a real advantage because it's very difficult to align > multiple sheets, the plastic when its printed on seems to warp a little bit > as its heated by the printer, causing the same image printed twice even on > the same sheet not to be exactly the same dimensions. Also I typically > under-exposed my boards in fear of small (8-10mil) traces would get washed > out. The amount of time in the developer goes down significantly if the > board is exposed a bit longer than the absolute minimum needed to get the > pattern in the photo resist. > > Just my 2 cents. > > Jason White. > > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 6:21 AM, Richard Bown wrote: > >> Hi, >> On the 8th attempt I now have a board ready to print on to a >> transparency. >> >> When printing is there any way of NOT printing the header sheet with >> the list of whats there ? >> I found I can deselect the top of the board OK, just want to print the >> bottom only. >> >> It would be nice if some how I could add to the printing menu the size >> 6X4", or a wee bit bigger, as I'm using a printer with a tray for photo >> paper as well. >> So I could pre-cut the film to 6x4" and load it from the top tray , >> >> I see A, B, C & D sizes but not sure what they are, and I'm not sure on >> US paper sizes, sri. >> The paper guide on the printer tray will open out to 4.5" , so a little >> tolerance of size. >> >> many thanks >> >> -- >> -- >> Best wishes /73 >> Richard Bown >> Email : richard AT g8jvm DOT com >> HTTP : http://www.g8jvm.com >> nil carborundum a illegitemis >> >> ################################################################################## >> Ham Call G8JVM . OS Linux Mint 16 x86_64 on a Dell Inspiron N5030 laptop >> Maidenhead QRA: IO82SP38, LAT. 52 39.720' N LONG. 2 28.171 W >> QRV VHF 6mtrs 200W, 4 mtrs 150W, 2mtrs 400W, 70cms 200W >> Microwave 23 cms 140W, 13 cms 100W, 6 cms 0W & 3cms 5W >> >> ################################################################################## >> >> > > > -- > Jason White > --089e013d1a6054887504f60e4af2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I prefer vector graphics.


On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Jaso= n White <whitewaterssoftwareinfo AT gmail DOT com> = wrote:
Buildin= g your own boards, ay?

I know this isn't directly rel= ated to your question but I always exported a 1000 dpi monochrome PNG file = for each layer and loaded it into GIMP or another photo manipulation progra= m. From there I could panelize my design (tile it), add descriptive headers= such as "THIS SIDE UP" and print it with a supposed .001" a= ccuracy. At 1000dip the resolution of the image in pixels correlated direct= ly to how many thousands of an inch wide it was supposed to be, simplifying= the task of recognizing how big or small a design really was.

One thing I found was that the large commercial printers such as = the ones Staples or OfficMax typically have, print *far* superior masks (tr= ansparency slides) than anything I could achieve at home with a consumer la= ser printer. If you are doing photo-lithography (the photo transfer method)= I would strongly recommend getting a pdf of the mask printed off by them f= or a buck or two. Typically home printed transparencies have to be doubled = up for additional opacity, whereas theirs did not.

I found this to be a real advantage because it's very difficu= lt to align multiple sheets, the plastic when its printed on seems to warp = a little bit as its heated by the printer, causing the same image printed t= wice even on the same sheet not to be exactly the same dimensions. Also I t= ypically under-exposed my boards in fear of small (8-10mil) traces would ge= t washed out. The amount of time in the developer goes down significantly i= f the board is exposed a bit longer than the absolute minimum needed to get= the pattern in the photo resist.

Just my 2 cents.

Jason White.


On = Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 6:21 AM, Richard Bown <richard AT g8jvm DOT com> wrote:
Hi,
On the 8th attempt I now have a board ready to print on to a
transparency.

When printing is there any way of NOT printing the header sheet with
the list of whats there ?
I found I can deselect the top of the board OK, just want to print the
bottom only.

It would be nice if some how I could add to the printing menu the size
6X4", or a wee bit bigger, as I'm using a printer with a tray for = photo
paper as well.
So I could pre-cut the film to 6x4" and load it from the top tray ,
I see A, B, C & D sizes but not sure what they are, and I'm not sur= e on
US paper sizes, sri.
The paper guide on the printer tray will open out to 4.5" , so a littl= e
tolerance of size.

many thanks

--
--
Best wishes /73
Richard Bown
Email : richard AT g8jv= m.com
HTTP =A0: =A0http://www.= g8jvm.com
nil carborundum a illegitemis
###########################################################################= #######
Ham Call G8JVM . OS Linux Mint 16 x86_64 on a Dell Inspiron N5030 laptop Maidenhead QRA: IO82SP38, LAT. 52 39.720' N LONG. 2 28.171 W
QRV VHF 6mtrs 200W, 4 mtrs 150W, 2mtrs 400W, 70cms 200W
Microwave 23 cms 140W, 13 cms 100W, 6 cms 0W & 3cms 5W
###########################################################################= #######




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Jason White

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