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From: "Ralf Habacker" <Ralf DOT Habacker AT saght DOT tessag DOT com>
To: "Cygwin-Xfree" <cygwin-xfree AT sources DOT redhat DOT com>,
"Cygwin-Apps" <cygwin-apps AT cygwin DOT com>,
"Alan Hourihane" <alanh AT fairlite DOT demon DOT co DOT uk>
Cc: "Suhaib Siddiqi" <ssiddiqi AT inspirepharm DOT com>
Subject: AW: ask for delivering cygwin 1.1.8 with kde 1.1.2
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:20:52 +0200
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> Will it not cause version skew with Cygwin/XFree86?

No, you're not using this symbol. I have installed running xfree 4.0.3 and
4.1.0 with cygwin 1.1.8.

> We build XFree86 always with latest version of Cygwin1.dll.  If your KDE
needs Cygwin > 1.1.8, then  either we will end up maitaining various version
sof binaries or
> users may end up compiling themselves.
> If you post older version of XFree86 linked to older Cygwin DLLs, you will
> be inviting a
> support nightmare for the people at Cygwin/XFree86 mailing list.
> Therefore
> I wanted everyone who
> is involved in Cygwin/XFree86 project knows about your KDE port and has
> something to say.
> I will not oppose posting older releases of Cygwin/Xfree86, but, as Chris
> said, I will not
> be a happy camper either because developers at Cygwin/Xfree86 project will
> need to deal with
> version skew issues otther support issues.

I understand and hope although that I can use the newest cygwin, but this
means
to check on every new cygwin update if kde is running. You can see on the
change from 1.1.8 to 1.3.x it could be, that some minor release are
nesessary to get some applications running like the socket problems I have.
(for which it isn't clear, where the bug is: in the cygwin.dll or in kde)

My plan is to release only a few beta releases of kde-1.1.2 and than leave
the 1.1.2 line, because the next step is porting kde-2, which is much more
interesting. For me kde-1.2.2 is only a preperation step to learn kde
fundamentals.

Ralf
>
> Suhaib
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ralf Habacker [mailto:Ralf DOT Habacker AT saght DOT tessag DOT com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 6:33 AM
> > To: Cygwin-Apps
> > Cc: Suhaib Siddiqi; Alan Hourihane; Robert Collins
> > Subject: AW: ask for delivering cygwin 1.1.8 with kde 1.1.2
> >
> >
> > > Betreff: RE: ask for delivering cygwin 1.1.8 with kde 1.1.2
> > >
> > > cygwin-apps. (KDE is a ported application).
> > >
> > > I've removed Chris from the cc, as I know he is subscribed.
> > >
> > > So, Ralf, as I understand it the question is, why do you need cygwin
> > > 1.1.8, and an older ncurses?
> > >
> > 1. I have reported ealier in the cygwin list about unix
> > socket problems,
> > which occurs only on using cygwin 1.3.2.
> > http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2001-05/msg01684.html
> > After debugging kde, currently I have no idea what's going
> > wrong. Curiously
> > with cygwin 1.1.8 there is no problem. One reason may be the
> > relocation
> > problem found in cygwin by Robert Collins, but the sockets
> > problems still
> > remains.
> >
> > Currently I preparing a test environment for me, i think I
> > can tell more
> > soon.
> >
> >
> > 2. applications or linbs linked with cygwin 1.3.2 like
> > ncurses reference a
> > pointer "check_for_executable" used by the method
> > path_conv::exec_state().
> > This isn't available under cygwin 1.1.8. So if one
> > application or lib is
> > linked with cygwin 1.3.2 it will never runs under cygwin
> > 1.1.8. Especially
> > in deep nested applications like kde this wilkl produced much support
> > problems.
> >
> > It is not possible to put this var into the structure pointed by the
> > impure_ptr (or somewhere else) to prevent such incompatibility ?
> >
> > > Does using ld without the auto-image-base solve your issues
> > with cygwin
> > > 1.3.2?
> >
> > You need to all -Wl,--export-all-symbols. Without that --whole-archive
> > doesn't do anything.
> > Additional I have recognized a problem in using static libs,
> > but this I have
> > to analyse more.
> >
> > > What issues do you have with the latest ncurses?
> > look at 2.
> > ncurses 2.5-5 needs "check_for_executable", so if you update
> > the cygwin
> > installation with it, some kde applications will not work
> > (especiallyx kvt).
> > Look below for additional informations relating dependency
> > problematic.
> >
> >
> > Dependency problems
> > Some libs like jpeglib are named with the major revision
> > number, but without
> > the minor /release or buildnumber for examples cygjpeg6b.dll or
> > ncurses5.dll.
> >
> > Especially for the jepglib there is an additional runtime
> > checking if the
> > caller has compiled in the same version lib (with build-number).
> >
> > So when I compile kde with cygjpeg6b-2 and some time later
> > someone updates
> > his jpeglib to Release 6b-4, kde will not be able to run
> > because of this
> > runtime checking.
> >
> > Because of this I decided for kde to use dlls with detailed name (for
> > example kdecore-2-0-0.dll) so that multiple installed versions of one
> > package/lib are possibly.
> >
> > The cygwin installer doesn't care about such dependencies, so
> > currently, it
> > would be easier to supply depending libs with the kde (or
> > other toplevel
> > packages) package with the resulting problem of equal named dlls with
> > different versions.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > Ralf
> >
> > >
> > > Rob
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Ralf Habacker [mailto:Ralf DOT Habacker AT saght DOT tessag DOT com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 5:17 PM
> > > > To: Alan Hourihane; Christopher Faylor; Robert Collins;
> > Suhaib Siddiqi
> > > > Subject: Re: ask for delivering cygwin 1.1.8 with kde 1.1.2
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >I will forward you one of his email from this morning.  I do
> > > > not think he
> > > > >Asked these questions on the mailing list.  Perhaps if you
> > > > answer him and
> > > > >ask him if he will be willing to move the discussion to
> > > > mailing list so
> > > > >others can join too????
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > which list we should use for this cygwinb or cygwin/xfree ?
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Ralf Habacker
> > > > EMail: Ralf AT habacker DOT de
> > > >        Ralf DOT Habacker AT saght DOT tessag DOT com
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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