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| Date: | Tue, 8 Feb 2011 13:51:31 -0800 (PST)
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| From: | Pablo Marty <tigrepotrazosalvaje AT yahoo DOT com DOT ar>
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| Subject: | Re: VIRTUAL BOX and my GAME - Mr Rod Pemberton
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Now I've read it entirely. Rod, it isn't for you to get so anoyed with DJGP=
P, it will never be dead ..... neither the DOS system .... I hope some day =
you (all members) can run my game and see what I could do with DJGPP in a r=
elatively easy way .... can you imagine the mess it would be to write a gam=
e with other languages??? or to edit graphics??? with DJGPP I made my own g=
raphics editor ...=20
//// I know that perhaps Mr DJ Delorie's way to say things isn't the best, =
but it's his way, ... I don=B4t disbelieve of his good intention neither an=
yone else
=A0
I have just got 2 ideas: 1st I could give my code files to the list so the =
ones who want could learn to write games (like Mario) though=A0my code is q=
uite untidy ....
2nd perhaps you, Rugxulo, could upload somewhere my Mario game, so everyone=
can see it, for though it is running from Windows XP (without music) but I=
think it would be good that djgpp people knows it .... modestly I think it=
's good,=A0mainly it took me 2 or 3 years working a few hours some days ...=
. then probably all members will be happier to help me with VBox
=A0
I wish those who are altered succed in calming down, and return to normal w=
ay
thank you=A0
Pablo
Asesinar y comer un perro o un gato es lo mismo q hacerlo a una vaca, un po=
llo, un cerdo o un pez. El genocidio no discrimina. No seas complice de gen=
ocidas. No seas genocida. En la vida tarde o temprano todo vuelve. No comas=
cadaveres. No seas necr=F3fago.=20
--- El mar 8-feb-11, Rod Pemberton <do_not_have AT notreplytome DOT cmm> escribi=
=F3:
De: Rod Pemberton <do_not_have AT notreplytome DOT cmm>
Asunto: Re: VIRTUAL BOX and my GAME - Mr Rod Pemberton
Para: djgpp AT delorie DOT com
Fecha: martes, 8 de febrero de 2011, 14:45
"DJ Delorie" <dj AT delorie DOT com> wrote in message
news:xnfwrzpw1i DOT fsf AT delorie DOT com...
> "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have AT notreplytome DOT cmm> writes:
>
> > If so, it's likely the DJGPP email to Usenet gateway rejected.
>
> It did.=A0 No foul language here, please, we have minors using DJGPP.
>
I'd respect that position, if I thought it were true.=A0 However, this is
Usenet.=A0 It's not for children.=A0 It never has been.=A0 Think of all the=
binary
alt.* groups.=A0 It wasn't 25 years ago.=A0 It still isn't today.=A0 I'm no=
t aware
of ever seeing a post from a child.
The volume here is virtually non-existant.=A0 I'm surprised
comp.os.msdos.djgpp didn't get itself on the recent Big-8 deletion list.=A0=
If
Andris Pavenis and Juan Manuel Guerrero hadn't been posting "ANNOUNCE"
messages, I think this group might've failed the Big-8 stage 1 requirements=
.
This group is not a DJGPP forum, or Listserv that you control DJ.=A0 You
could've made this group moderated, if you so wished.=A0 You didn't.=A0 Tha=
t's
your failure. You still can, but AISI there is no point anymore.=A0 DJGPP's
time has past.=A0 Well, there might be one point to moderation: Big-8 doesn=
't
delete moderated groups.=A0 Or, two: you can block any words you don't like=
,
for any language.
DJGPP is not being used to code DOS, e.g., FreeDOS or DR-DOS.=A0 It was bei=
ng
used to code FreeDOS-32, but that's been stalled for 6 years now.=A0 AFAIK,
it's not being used to code new OSes, or any major applications.=A0 DJGPP
hasn't progressed in the 6 or 7 years that I've been reading here.=A0 The
handful of serious users of DJGPP stopped posting 3 to 4 years ago.=A0 I'd
guess that most moved on.=A0 For all practical purposes, DJGPP is dead.=A0 =
It's
frozen in time.=A0 It tried to move to XP, sort of...=A0 It hasn't, yet...
That's still in Beta.=A0 7 years of Beta...=A0 No demand?=A0 It has yet to =
find
another OS to give it purpose, or something to give it life, like a DOS
shell for Windows 7.=A0 I've repeatedly suggested two things that could
breathe some life into DJGPP: GNU GLIBC, and recompiled v2.03 with 64-bit
support enabled.=A0 GLIBC would allow GNU tools on DOS to just work.=A0 64-=
bit
would allow current users to migrate from 32-bit.=A0 They'll have to do so =
at
some point.=A0 I.e., you'll lose them.=A0 So, the void is/was being filled =
by
other compilers: Cygwin, Pelles C, LCC-Win32, LLVM, MinGW, etc.=A0 All the
recent x86 OS developers seem to be using Linux w/GNU GCC, or MASM.
Rod Pemberton
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Now I've read it entirely. Rod, it isn't=
for you to get so anoyed with DJGPP, it will never be dead ..... neither t=
he DOS system .... I hope some day you (all members) can run my game and se=
e what I could do with DJGPP in a relatively easy way .... can you imagine =
the mess it would be to write a game with other languages??? or to edit gra=
phics??? with DJGPP I made my own graphics editor ... </DIV>
<DIV>//// I know that perhaps Mr DJ Delorie's way to say things isn't the b=
est, but it's his way, ... I don=B4t disbelieve of his good intention neith=
er anyone else</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have just got 2 ideas: 1st I could give my code files to the list so=
the ones who want could learn to write games (like Mario) though my c=
ode is quite untidy ....</DIV>
<DIV>2nd perhaps you, Rugxulo, could upload somewhere my Mario game, so eve=
ryone can see it, for though it is running from Windows XP (without music) =
but I think it would be good that djgpp people knows it .... modestly I thi=
nk it's good, mainly it took me 2 or 3 years working a few hours some =
days .... then probably all members will be happier to help me with VBox</D=
IV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I wish those who are altered succed in calming down, and return to nor=
mal way</DIV>
<DIV>thank you <BR>Pablo</DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #8000ff" face=3D"arial, helvetica=
, sans-serif"><FONT color=3D#ffff00>Asesinar y comer un perro o un gato es =
lo mismo q hacerlo a una vaca, un pollo, un cerdo o un pez. El genocidio no=
discrimina. No seas complice de genocidas. No seas genocida. En la vida ta=
rde o temprano todo vuelve. No comas cadaveres. No seas necr=F3fago.</FONT>=
</FONT><BR><BR>--- El <B>mar 8-feb-11, Rod Pemberton <I><do_not_have AT no=
treplytome.cmm></I></B> escribi=F3:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5=
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>De: Rod Pemberton <do_not_have AT notreplytome DOT cm=
m><BR>Asunto: Re: VIRTUAL BOX and my GAME - Mr Rod Pemberton<BR>Para: dj=
gpp AT delorie DOT com<BR>Fecha: martes, 8 de febrero de 2011, 14:45<BR><BR>
<DIV class=3DplainMail>"DJ Delorie" <<A href=3D"http://ar.mc451.mail.yah=
oo.com/mc/compose?to=3Ddj AT delorie DOT com" ymailto=3D"mailto:dj AT delorie DOT com">dj=
@delorie.com</A>> wrote in message<BR>news:<A href=3D"http://ar.mc451.ma=
il.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dxnfwrzpw1i DOT fsf AT delorie DOT com" ymailto=3D"mailto:=
xnfwrzpw1i DOT fsf AT delorie DOT com">xnfwrzpw1i DOT fsf AT delorie DOT com</A>...<BR>> "Rod =
Pemberton" <<A href=3D"http://ar.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Ddo=
_not_have AT notreplytome DOT cmm" ymailto=3D"mailto:do_not_have AT notreplytome DOT cmm"=
>do_not_have AT notreplytome DOT cmm</A>> writes:<BR>><BR>> > If so, i=
t's likely the DJGPP email to Usenet gateway rejected.<BR>><BR>> It d=
id. No foul language here, please, we have minors using DJGPP.<BR>>=
;<BR><BR>I'd respect that position, if I thought it were true. Howeve=
r, this is<BR>Usenet. It's not for children. It never has been.=
Think of all the binary<BR>alt.* groups. It wasn't 25 years ag=
o. It
still isn't today. I'm not aware<BR>of ever seeing a post from a chi=
ld.<BR><BR>The volume here is virtually non-existant. I'm surprised<B=
R>comp.os.msdos.djgpp didn't get itself on the recent Big-8 deletion list.&=
nbsp; If<BR>Andris Pavenis and Juan Manuel Guerrero hadn't been posting "AN=
NOUNCE"<BR>messages, I think this group might've failed the Big-8 stage 1 r=
equirements.<BR><BR>This group is not a DJGPP forum, or Listserv that you c=
ontrol DJ. You<BR>could've made this group moderated, if you so wishe=
d. You didn't. That's<BR>your failure. You still can, but AISI =
there is no point anymore. DJGPP's<BR>time has past. Well, ther=
e might be one point to moderation: Big-8 doesn't<BR>delete moderated group=
s. Or, two: you can block any words you don't like,<BR>for any langua=
ge.<BR><BR>DJGPP is not being used to code DOS, e.g., FreeDOS or DR-DOS.&nb=
sp; It was being<BR>used to code FreeDOS-32, but that's been stalled
for 6 years now. AFAIK,<BR>it's not being used to code new OSes, or =
any major applications. DJGPP<BR>hasn't progressed in the 6 or 7 year=
s that I've been reading here. The<BR>handful of serious users of DJG=
PP stopped posting 3 to 4 years ago. I'd<BR>guess that most moved on.=
For all practical purposes, DJGPP is dead. It's<BR>frozen in t=
ime. It tried to move to XP, sort of... It hasn't, yet...<BR>Th=
at's still in Beta. 7 years of Beta... No demand? It has =
yet to find<BR>another OS to give it purpose, or something to give it life,=
like a DOS<BR>shell for Windows 7. I've repeatedly suggested two thi=
ngs that could<BR>breathe some life into DJGPP: GNU GLIBC, and recompiled v=
2.03 with 64-bit<BR>support enabled. GLIBC would allow GNU tools on D=
OS to just work. 64-bit<BR>would allow current users to migrate from =
32-bit. They'll have to do so at<BR>some point. I.e.,
you'll lose them. So, the void is/was being filled by<BR>other compi=
lers: Cygwin, Pelles C, LCC-Win32, LLVM, MinGW, etc. All the<BR>recen=
t x86 OS developers seem to be using Linux w/GNU GCC, or MASM.<BR><BR><BR>R=
od Pemberton<BR><BR><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></table><br>=0A=0A=0A=
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